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DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:51 pm
by Jerry David
Hi Everyone,

Feedback on show 1 is welcome in all formats, but here are some prompts for you if you aren't sure:

BEST MATCH:
BEST SEGMENT:
BEST ANGLE:
BEST LINE OF THE NIGHT:
ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT:

We understand it's a BIG show, so some of you might not get to read it all. That's understandable. But please leave feedback on what you DID read here!

Sign-up's for show 2 are on the relevant forum and are MANDATORY. (no sign up, no go.)

Cheers,
sc00t

Re: DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:17 pm
by Jerry David
Some broad feedback:

A few places slip into past tense when the show is written in present tense.

I have seen a few lines of script dialogue. The show is written in novel format.

Segments are opening with "after commercials..." when they aren't placed after a commercial break. As commercials are not in the sign-up running order, I think we should avoid that way of introducing segments/matches.

I really, really, dislike loads of line breaks in matches. I'm only going to scroll past them. I've never liked them in all my time in efedding. Not sure what others think? For me, it doesn't add tension, it just makes the scroll bar smaller and harder to get hold of with my mouse pointer.

I also don't like multiple uses of punctuation, (!!!, ??!?!!?!, etc.) as they are incorrect.

More specific feedback:
The View from the other side: I have no idea who is in this segment, but I enjoyed the style of it. " would be correct though, not ' for speech.

Mind over matter: Same again, " not ', and again I have no idea who is in this segment. A little more swearing than I would expect from a segment on these shows, but we're all new to it so I guess we'll find a balance there as the weeks go on. Again, well written, but as I have no idea who is in it, or really what it's about, not much to go on.

Black Friday? Perhaps: Good descriptive writing. The odd past tense word (began, rather than begins. Mused rather than muses), but not the end of the world. Did a really good job of setting up who Pierson is, what his character is about.

Gone, but not forgotten: Sets up SoM well. Here to take his revenge! Good. It's only been 15 years. About time! Can't wait. One minor critique, and I'll only mention it once, but it runs through the show, "SoM continues: "blahblahblah" - It's not quite script style, but also not novel style.

Remember Me: There are a few errors in this one: "Gemini is dark complected/tan and wears black and purple wrestling trunks" complected I'm not familiar with, and the forward slash wants getting rid of.
"step in the ring" - "steps".
I had to check who Quinn and Deltzer were. But that is my own fault, not the writers, and will soon become second nature.
Then when Gemini speaks I'm immediately drawn to him as a character. I like this guy. He's mysterious and brooding. Like the opposite of me.

Advertisement: Absolutely phenomenal piece of writing. Cannot be beaten.

More to follow as and when.
Sorry for going in on you Keegan! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:23 am
by Keegan
Thanks, everyone, for being here and contributing to the show. I’ll give you the backstory of GLOBAL another time. But, here is my FIRST show as a fedhead and I want to say I hope you enjoy this one, and the next and many more thereafter. I really appreciate it.

Okay, if I wrote it, I don’t review it. The stuff that was co-written by me – fair game. Let’s crack on:

THE VIEW FROM THE OTHER SIDE: Excellent to see first person in one of the first lines on the very first episode of GLOBAL. You get the picture, but really, I got a kick out of that. Didn’t take long for the F-bomb either, and no worries at all. I thought this was a mighty fine segment overall, really well-written and intrigued me. The last line was on point, too.

MIND OVER MATTER: One thing I like to read (and write) is something that feels real. Don’t always achieve it, but I believe it’s important to have those characters somewhere on the roster, and this ticked that box. It seemed to me like I was privy to a private conversation that could’ve taken place, complete with the Andor reference, a show I need to watch. So far, so good. These two segments may not establish who’s involved yet, but I appreciate the sense of intrigue and the fact that the person has embraced the style. Keep doing it.

4-WAY TAG MATCH: Here we go. I wanted to read this match NOW, and not before. This was my vision a month ago: Pedro writing this match and crowning the GLOBAL Tag Team champions in the opening match. Thank you for doing it, firstly.
Which would explain the placement of the segment, so apologies for that, Pedro. I see what you mean. Teething problems on my part! Next time, next time…

THE MIGHTY DUCKS?! I’m already marking out. What an entrance.

Admittedly, while writing my own stuff, I thought about using ‘legal woman’ and then thought…no. Anyway, moving on.

The paragraph after the first fall (which I always enjoy being a 1-count, by the way) was well-written and that applies to so many of these, even in the early going. A lot of great groundwork being laid.

Smash Siblings has to catch on. Just, so this isn’t a standalone paragraph, the 7-person pile-up was EXCELLENT. Kudos, Pedro.
A lot of really good action in the aftermath, which I won’t dissect move by move, but it has definitely drawn me in.

This is action-packed, admittedly, and over before I realised. A fantastic false finish, which in a sense, threw me for the actual finish. Overall, a great opener with fine pacing, something you’ll hear from me a lot, and I look forward to seeing all four of these teams in traditional four-person action, too. Thank you, Pedro, for kicking the show and fed off, and helping crown The Master Sisters in the process.

BLACK FRIDAY? PERHAPS: I got a major kick out of this. I loved the backstory, and the dialogue…delicious. Well done, my friend 😊

GONE…BUT NOT FORGOTTEN: A nice start-up segment from a character I know PARTICULARLY well, and I am more than familiar with the scene. Full circle, Keith, whose fed I debuted in some 21 years ago. Glad to be able to return the favour, and have you on board.

REMEMBER ME: For the record, Gemini, I thought that was a solid insult. I like seeing this side of Gemini’s personality, as it happens.

SOM V GEMINI: Solid match for what it was, and encapsulated how I view both characters. Some nice commentary/fan interaction sprinkled in, too. Nice touch. Cheers, Chris.

CONSUME: I won’t talk too much about the adverts in future, and I can’t believe I’m about to say this…this one is my personal favourite. Ron Simmons: “DAMN!”

THE ONE: Welcome, Hector. This was going to go much closer to the main event, but I wanted to combine it with ‘The Star’ and it did a nice job of mentioning Dream, which I didn’t follow up in the way I wanted, and I apologise for that. There is time, though! Anyway, it was originally named after the main man in this segment, and he does strike me as a James Mitchell type, and not just because of the past pic base. A really creepy dude, but oddly, I like him a lot.

THE BIG DREAMS OF BIG AUG: Well, anyone who knows me is aware I’m a mark for Seth – not alone in that regard. A BIG inspiration to me in many ways, and a reminder that when I think I’ve got a large cast of characters, well, he’s one of the originals. A cracking concept, AS PER USUAL, and someone who I reckon will be a big hit here. Loved it.

Lazar v Marx: What a BRILLIANT ring introduction for Marx. My goodness. A totally dominant win, as I sort of expected, and it was good while it lasted – that’s not what she said.

Viral Comedy: I thought these two characters really bounced off one another, and in a way, I view them as two heels – aye, it’s more than encouraged here – even if Jerry is listed as a tweener. EZ Rah immediately screamed ‘prick’ to me and I have a hard problem separating Jerry and Scott, which means I think he’s a prick, as well. Only kidding. Both characters came across well, and the segment reminded me of something/somewhere. Anyone would think you’ve written this style before.
Anyway, all in all, great stuff.

Kingdom Come: A nice introductory piece, and I apologise for putting this in the wrong slot. It’s probably too close to the next segment too, which again, sorry. I like the premise of the stable, something I almost did myself in the past, but these guys will do it better.
Rupert comes across as an arsehole immediately, and someone who I’d get a kick out of in real life, akin to Regal. Great collaboration all round.

A Square Go, Aye: I wrote the first part, which was piss-poor, but thankfully, Shawn came in and saved it for me with some very good mike work from ‘Oor Davey,” which was also present in the previous segment.

Davey Boy v Ryan Ansell: Not a long bout by design, and it achieved exactly what I wanted for it. I’ve really enjoyed Davey’s personality throughout the last three pieces, and his one line in here tickled me for some reason. Cheers, Shawn.

Getting Your Flowers: Wow. Where do I start? The segment name – I wanted to do for my own character, Ade Flowers. The gimmick – I had something similar in mind, though nowhere near as theatrical or entertaining. He’s just better than me. Great piece of work…by a great piece of work, and a character I have always liked, going way back. Thank you very much, Seth.

Legends Never Die: I thought this was refreshing, given the rest of the show, and was sold the moment Brian told me it was going to be a press conference, something I like away from wrestling, being a boxing fan. Having seen Darring in SCW up close and personal, I have come to expect top-notch stuff on a regular basis and this was a lovely, little piece to try and establish Darring here too. I knew I wanted him in the main event as soon as he signed on, which we booked WEEKS ago, and this fanfare makes him sound like a big deal – which he is. Thank you and welcome Brian, and I sincerely hope you enjoy your stay here.

Prime Time Viewing: I promise it’s coincidental that the two segments Brian wrote ended up being next to one another. Welcome to the hobby, Dogi, and thanks for the questions. Bellamy has got a lot of potential here as a character, something we’re going to explore, for sure. Talk about two handlers at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of experience, but the characters were all newcomers and they both got their digs in. I thought there’d be no way I enjoyed this more than the press conference and I’m not sure I did, BUT the fact I am even asking the question is testament to the job Brian did in terms of having fun and running with the segment. A grand job.

From A to So Be It: April graciously co-wrote with me, and not the last collab from me for the night. Alfie and Amber meshed very well together, and this was not the original plan for either character, with both slated for singles matches. However, that didn’t happen for GOOD reasons, and then late the other night, I decided to kill two birds with one stone, and run the match idea that appears later on by April. It also has a knock-on effect for something later on the show, more to come, but this segment flowed well I thought, and April should take the lion’s share of the credit for that. Thank you, April.

Old School v New School: And, Courtney co-wrote this one, as well. I love how fiery Valorie can be, and yet so honourable, too. No US spelling here, lads and lasses. This also flowed well, and I’m going to credit my writing partner for that here, as well. Cheers, Courtney.

The X-Factor: While I’ve skipped a few segment for obvious reasons, my third collab appears consecutively here. This is what I was alluding to with saying there was a knock-on effect. Shae proposed the idea to me several weeks ago, and we eventually got round to writing it, Blair and I. I’d like to thank Blair for doing the majority of the work here, to the point of directing me on what to say for Alfie, and a confession: I only did that THIS MORNING, more on that later too, and we’re off to the races with a storyline I’m looking forward to playing just a small part in. Welcome to the hobby, Blair, and please check Blair’s YouTube channel out, as well. I loved the Ospreay video.

MAIN EVENT: Thank you for taking the time to write this, Shae, and for making my vision a reality in the main event, as well as helping GLOBAL go from a concept we discussed on Skype to being here for its first show. We’re here, and you’re a massive part of that, which I’ve told you, and want to repeat here. I hope you enjoyed writing the match, and also enjoy reading this show. You deserve to.
I’ve already mentioned Brian/Darring. Hector’s ‘Daniel Dream’ character is one I’ve admired from afar, and when I knew we could get him here, I was delighted. There’ll be more to this match on Domination 2, by the way, not in terms of action, but fallout. That’s my fault.
Onto the match itself…

Off the bat, a great dial back to where Darring had a secret opponent that I didn’t allude to, and I’m glad I didn’t. Cracking call. A fine job in using The Mark to berate the crowd for not giving Darring his props and giving a rundown on why Daniel Dream’s a big deal.

I sort of sat back and got caught up in reading the match, but besides our philosophical differences in line breaks, Shae did a super job in capturing the essence and attitudes of Darring and Dream when they were allowed to ‘shine.’

Nice roll-up reversal sequence.

Seems like Jimmy Mann, inadvertently, is the closest to getting the strategy correct. Honestly not what I had in mind.

One thing the power display puts an exclamation point on: What makes Dream a particularly good mystery opponent, so simply and I didn’t give this TOO much thought when putting the match together is, he’s a heck of an all-rounder who’s agile, can wrestle and has strength, as well.

Some typos that I didn’t catch, so that’s on me as well, but some very good use of commentary. It adds flavour here, admittedly, though I don’t think it does by default. Call me defiant. I was originally going to do the commentary for the main event. Fortunately, Shae took care of it instead, so cheers again.

The finish of the match feels like it’s starting about 8-10 pages from the end, which is a massive positive, and indicative of a change I want to make to my own match writing. Fair play, and not the first time I’ve seen Shae do this.
I’m skipping a lot of offence here, but will revisit it: Allie’s line about why they both need this – ON POINT.

I thought the home stretch was superb. Shae and I discussed the finish weeks ago, and he deserves a ton of credit for taking the match on a load of twists and turns before pulling the trigger on it.

I was going to write a segment immediately after the main event. It can keep. I’m happy that the main event closed the show.

OKAY…

A confession: I screwed up the deadline, and thought I had given you 24 hours more than what I actually said. So, I was pleasantly surprised when a lot of stuff was turned in early, and then realised why! Sorry, guys. That’s got nothing to do with this being my first merry-go-round as chief. It was a big blunder on my part, and reflected in the deadline for Domination 2. So sorry. It did also play a part in why this show came out later than it should have. I hadn’t finished my own writing, and I wasn’t alone, because one or two others understood what my original deadline was SUPPOSED TO BE, not what it actually said, so everyone, I was in the wrong.

I am usually not a deadline-hugger. I was here. I wrote an awful lot too close to the deadline, including a record-equalling day (along with when a certain SCW Iron Man match landed on my lap just 4 days out from deadline) on Monday in which I got paid to write part of a match (no students showed up for the first lesson, and I took my pen drive.) So, lessons learned.

I’ll be writing less and editing and observing more for next show. Some things to be mindful of:

PRESENT tense.
NOVEL style.

They’re the most important things.

Besides that, I’ll come up with some consistency on move names. I tend to go capitals, others don’t, and then I started going lower case when I saw most wrestling sites don’t. Whatever fits the majority, there. I’m not married to either, and will go with whichever, but let’s have one – lower OR upper case.

Question: Should we include the characters’ names in the title of segments? This is where pic bases would work better, but I’m not a fan and never have been. Plus, we did okay in SCW without art. In time, perhaps we can use the WWE2k game (I’m going to buy a copy to play about with the arenas) to use the CAWs as opposed to pic bases, posers or micros.

Tell us where you want your segments or matches ahead of time, please. This could be subject to change, but not by much. If you ask for Segment 10, and we need something else there, we’ll put it 9 or 11.

Last thoughts on the show: An enjoyable foray, hopefully. I’m going to work on some things between here and now. I appreciate the effort from everyone, and a big thank you from me. More deadlines to come, as we work towards our first PPV, and hopefully, some revelations and debuts on Domination 2. All feedback, positive and negative, helps. I know my stuff’s shit, so if you can’t read the whole thing, and I mean this part sincerely, give feedback to your fellow handlers. They’re the ones who benefit the most (and tell us staff members who is ‘over’ with you as a handler base.)

On feedback, don’t take an all-or-nothing mentality. If you can’t get through everything, giving one or two people feedback is better than nothing at all.

In the meantime, you’ll get feedback on every segment from me. I tried to operate that way as a handler and as a number 2, so there’s even more reason for me to preach that here. It’s the least I can do. This concludes my writing for Domination 1. Excuse me for a moment: THANK FUCK FOR THAT.

Once again, thank YOU so much for being here, making it worth it, and for your interest, engagement in the chat, encouragement, and enthusiasm. I thought long and hard about ever returning after SCW closed 2 years ago, and I wasn’t alone in that regard. To be honest, I was only coming back for one thing and you know what that is if you’ve got this far. Right now, it feels pretty good to be back. Long may that continue. However, no matter what, I’ll always be glad and grateful we got to do Domination 1.

They say you always remember your first time.

Cheers, everyone.

Re: DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:17 am
by Daniel Dream
BEST MATCH: Daniel Dream vs Sean Darring

I originally wasn't going to pick my match because it'd be unfair to pick my own match but reading it, I don't think it'd be fair if I didn't pick Daniel Dream vs Sean Darring.

To be extra fair, Valorie Vitality vs El Principe had a great story going into the match of someone's first match in the wrestling business vs a multi-generational wrestling veteran which was going to be my pick if Daniel Dream vs Sean Darring wasn't such a great main event match.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't invested in a Steve Dann upset win that was not to be.

The four-way to open the show was an amazing start to establish the tag team champions, did what an opening match was expected to do and exceeded expectations.

BEST SEGMENT: FROM A TO SO BE IT

As someone who was completely unfamiliar with 99% of the superstars before joining GLOBAL, this was a showcase of Alfie's personality and he's full of charm. Alfie's friendship with Amber Lee was great and interesting. I became completely interested in whatever Alfie is doing.

BEST ANGLE: Alfie Button's relationship with Amber Lee. I think Alfie Button stole the show. If the last show was all about Jerry Watkins, I think this show was all about Alfie Button and he made good use of every scene he was in.

BEST LINE OF THE NIGHT: "They say you ought to kill people with kindness. I say kindness is overrated."

I was going to say that this category was going to be the hardest since the whole show is so well-written and it'll probably be the hardest for me to decide in the future but that line is so good, I had to do a double take when I first saw it. The only thing wrong with the line was that I didn't think of it first.

ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT: Tiny typos here and there but nothing that severely hampered my enjoyment. I can point out a few privately if someone wants to correct them but it's not a big deal either way.

Re: DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:53 am
by Keegan
Thanks very much, Hector. Great stuff. And you're right on the typos, something which I'll try and catch more of for Domination 2.

Re: DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:28 am
by pdbnb
Halfway-ish through the show, and half the stuff so far is mine, but here are some preliminary thoughts:

I. LOVE. ALECZANDAR. THE. GREAT. Spoiler alert, if nothing changes, that is my Best Segment nominee right there. WHAT a heel.

I also love Big Aug, and whoever that douchebag is plugging his merch and NFTs and acting like he's filming a YouTube video. SO accurate to real-life douchebag YouTubers.

I'm scared of Christian, though. Geez. Hope I never run into him during a department store sale.

I further love how everyone's writing style is so different from the efedding norm. I thought my segments (SPOILERS: the opening two) would stand out for being more literary in style, but NOPE. EVERYONE is writing stuff that's more akin to a blog/pop culture website than what I usually see in efed shows.

I feel like my match was too long compared to the rest of the undercard bouts, though.

Criticism: I think the intro to the actual show should be placed, not necessarily at the beginning of the write-up, but at the beginning of the actual live show portion. Does that make sense? For instance, the first two scenes were scenes, as in, off-camera for the wrestlers. It makes no sense for those to be in the actual wrestling-show part. If anything, I feel we should have 'show credits', and then a 'live show opening' when the actual wrestling portion begins, so off-camera scenes don't appear as part of the live broadcast (which Keegan has made very clear is the exact OPPOSITE of what he's after.)

More to follow, including categories/nominations, once I finish the whole show.

Re: DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:53 am
by Keegan
Great feedback, Pedro.

As for the last point, I get you. and that is something worth considering. With it being the first show, I didn't think going straight into a first scene was the way to go. It could have been, but with it being a wrestling show, I thought I'd do the 'Welcome to GLOBAL' so fans became acquainted with the commentators first, and there was some 'banter' building up to the first match which wasn't far away. We have spoken about 'cues' for what is on and off-site, and if it's confusing for people, something we'll look at. We decided to see if 'context clues' works first. That'll come out in the wash.

What I was going to start the show off with in my mind was 'The Star' but I didn't want a shitload of segments before the show started and prioritised your work ahead of the opener.

Food for thought, which is what feedback is for, and thanks very much. Glad you're enjoying the style and your two segments still stood out, believe me.

I disagree on the match being too long compared to the undercard. Firstly, I know what the word counts were. Thereafter, it's the opening match of a new league, 8 people involved, and it was to crown Tag Team champions. Even if it dwarfed the other matches, to quote a segment I wrote, so be it. It won't be the case every week, after all.

Re: DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:53 pm
by pdbnb
OK, as I am reading along, I have caught a couple of instances of INSERT NAME HERE - once during my new favourite team's fight with the Health Fanatics, and later during Steve Dann vs VIP.

More feedback to come, but just wanted to leave this note here so it doesn't get lost in among the rest.

Re: DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:17 pm
by Keegan
Yes, that was me.

Embarrassing. Thought I'd caught those, and thanks for flagging them. Not good!

Won't happen again :oops:

Re: DOMINATION 01 - Feedback Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:17 pm
by Keegan
We'll get those edited out, too! Thanks very much for bringing up, though, Pedro. Much appreciated.

Less writing, more editing for the next show.