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[pdbnb]

I'm just saying let's not go ad hominem-ing people unless we know. Even hypothetical people. The point would have stood without that turn of phrase in there.

[Jerry David]

So ignore it. Don’t be pedantic.

[Legend]

I want to say that we usually have SIX matches ... Matches aren't the reason people aren't leaving feedback. It's a fraction of the word count, usually.

I would rather us think about our segments and how they relate to the goal of our stories and the show itself and think about the arc in general. If there isn't a good idea for your story to write a segment, then save it! Wrestling shows do it all the time. You don't always see a guy wrestle, have 2-3 segments on one show unless there is a very good reason!

I sure would hate to see us cut out the wrestling in a wrestling show.

[Alex Reyn]

I think Brian is right here. From reading show 4, there were several segments that could have either been cut, or combined into one to still get all the stories across. Basically, being more efficient with our time.

As for word limits, I'm not thinking of going OSW level, 500 words per match. I'm actually thinking more like 2000 words per match, and, if segments are also going abit too long or too much, 400 words per segment. Since segments SHOULD, on average, be snappy and to the point. Even with the "cinematic" presentation of lobal, the wrestling is still the centrepiece.

[Jerry David]

if segments are also going abit too long or too much, 400 words per segment. Since segments SHOULD, on average, be snappy and to the point. Even with the "cinematic" presentation of lobal, the wrestling is still the centrepiece.

Couldn’t disagree more.

The story is ALWAYS the thing. Always.

[Alex Reyn]

First of all, I'll just address Scott's comments by saying, very simply, the match IS the story.

A good westling show (E-Fed or otherwise), does not put the story on hold for ten minutes of pointless action. Rather, the matches THEMSELVES progress the story through the actions of it's characters. The matches are the centrepiece OF the story because ultimately, we are telling stories about fighters. And it is in combat that they make their toughest choices, have their most climactic moments, and show who they really are.

Fortunately, basically every match writer here understands that. I don't think there is a single match writer on our roster who doesn't ty to tell a story in the matches. If you're tryin to follow the story and only read the segments... you're missing more than half the story.

And I'm not saying the segments aren't important. Just that they should be shorter. Segments, I think, operate best under a "Less is More" mindset. You remember a single, well delivered barb far more than 20 minutes of Triple H rambling.

Now, on that note, I was talking to Keegan earlier, and we found that keeping to strict, but fair limits seems reasonable.

500 word limit for segments. Long enough to get the point across, but not rambling.

Then 1700 words for a regular Domination match and 4500 words for the main events. That felt like a decent length for Domination.

1 Main event, 4 regular matches and ten segments.

With around about 8 storylines and 4 shows per arc, That gives everyone about 7 "Slots" throughout the arc to work with (Which I feel is plenty to build ones arc.)

That would add up to the Domination shows being, on average, 18500. Which I think, if we stick to it, is MUCH more readable.

Second, Keegan suggested an idea around feedback to me before GLOBAL even opened. But rather than risking telephone gaming it up by saying it in MY words, I'd rather Keegan present the idea himself in his own words..

[Jerry David]

First of all, I'll just address Scott's comments by saying, very simply, the match IS the story.

Completely disagree with this as well. The story is the story. The match is part of the story.

[Alex Reyn]

You're shifting the goalposts there. You're trying to make it look like I am trying to claim the opposite. That the match isn't part of the story.

But no-one seriously reading what I wrote could come to that conclusion. I have, in fact, been saying that the match not only IS a part of the story, but a SIGNIFICANT part of it. You cannot have the story without the match because the match tells most of the story.

[THEHopper]

The best stories are ones that are told through both segments and matches. The greatest wrestlers are usually great storytellers.

This is why I always felt commentary was good for matches, even if only a few times a match as it helps people understand the story being told in that match.

It is also why spitting out a series of moves and counters in quick succession to make a match short ruins the purpose of the match.

I also believe completely curbing words or forcing a hard limit can curtail it as well, but also believe people would be forced to be more creative with their word choices and storytelling if they were limited to a word count.

Perhaps it is time to revisit the old way of doing things called flash packlets.....where some of the segments that are not central to the show are put in a document together and released as if a collection of "what is going on in Global" type of content. because there are times when segments are submitted and have nothing to do with that show (nothing wrong with it really as every piece of a story is not furthered on every episode and at times is kind of a treading water section). or limiting how many segments might work as well....1 segment per wrestler instead fo ne guy having 2,3,4, etc pieces in a show.

There are ways to shorten shows.....and this is always a work in progress

[pdbnb]

Please tell me we're not capping segs at 400 words.

PLEASE tell me we're not.

Also, the story being about more than just the wrestling, and not all segments having to be 'GRAAARGH OPPONENT XYZ, I WILL KILL YOU!' while standing next to an interviewer or whatever, are what makes this place what it is. Otherwise, it becomes just another efed, though a particularly well written one.

Also, talk is veering away from feedback now. This probably deserves another topic.